"functionoverfashion" (functionoverfashion)
09/30/2019 at 11:31 • Filed to: neat, also premature
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"functionoverfashion" (functionoverfashion)
09/30/2019 at 11:31 • Filed to: neat, also premature | 0
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I mean, the headline pretty much nails it.
Tesla: Forget where you parked? Who cares?
Also Tesla: You are still responsible for your car andmust monitor it and its surroundings at all times.
Yeah... which is it? Clearly people are going to hit ‘Summon’ while they’re waiting in line at the checkout, so they can just walk out the door to their car. Why would you wait until you’re outside, baking in the hot sun, or freezing in the cold, or getting wet, or even - gasp! - getting a bit of exercise on a beautiful day! Just hit (hold?) the button and your car will be right out front, blocking the entrance for all the poors.
Of course there are already examples of this not going well even in very safe, controlled conditions (the guy whose Tesla hit the side of his garage when he tried this feature in his driveway).
It really is hard to be shocked. Parking lots can be chaotic, and human drivers aren’t that great in those conditions, either. So one might argue, computers will be better because they will not inject emotion into their decisions ( that guy cut me off AND he’s in a BMW!! RAGE HONK). But I think there are just too many things going on in a parking lot for this to be a remotely good idea.
I also kind of already thought you could do this with a Tesla?? I guess not.
*shrugs*
fintail
> functionoverfashion
09/30/2019 at 11:34 |
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From the braintrust who marketed “autopilot” and won over throngs of book smart street stupid drivers. Shocking.
MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick)
> functionoverfashion
09/30/2019 at 11:39 |
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It’s kinda genius: it barely works but somehow everyone overlooks all of the disclaimers making it the user’s fault when it inevitably plows into something at walking pace, and the odd time it does work people praise it as life changing. I don’t think an established auto brand could ever do this and I still can’t figure out why it works for Tesla.
PartyPooper2012
> functionoverfashion
09/30/2019 at 11:46 |
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I’m thinking why even walk around in a supermarket or department store - just drive your tesla around.
Before you know it...
Blue is the new red ! Change your outfit colors now!
Spanfeller is a twat
> functionoverfashion
09/30/2019 at 11:50 |
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I lolled in multiple occasions
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functionoverfashion
> MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick)
09/30/2019 at 11:52 |
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I kind of agree, in that they’re willing to take risks that no one else will take, making headlines in the process - both good and bad. But still, this seems like a legal minefield, and a feature ripe for abuse. No one will use it “as intended” because in those circumstances, you could just walk to the car way faster, with limited exceptions.
It’s still amazing that Tesla can do this at all, I’ll give you that.
Urambo Tauro
> functionoverfashion
09/30/2019 at 11:56 |
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The main aisle in front of (insert major store name here) is busy enough already with people being dropped off & picked up, not to mention the time it takes to load stuff . Sometimes they just sit there idling while the spouse runs inside “real quick” . If it gets any worse, walking from the car to the building and back will become the faster option, like it already has for fast food drive-thrus.
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functionoverfashion
> PartyPooper2012
09/30/2019 at 11:57 |
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Some guy tried that, now he’s in a bit of trouble...
Tekamul
> functionoverfashion
09/30/2019 at 11:58 |
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Autopilot has a hard time with non-car obstacles, so let’s set i t lose in an environment that is teaming with non-cars!
If you don't like my driving, stay off the sidewalk.
ttyymmnn
> functionoverfashion
09/30/2019 at 12:02 |
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Teaching my son to drive, and I’ve told him numerous times that parking lots are one of the most dangerous places to drive. This will just make things worse.
It is horrible, this idea.
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functionoverfashion
> Urambo Tauro
09/30/2019 at 12:03 |
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Related: I often see at my grocery store, people pulling into the handicap spaces - with proper tags, yes, BUT - then letting someone out to walk in and get things while the driver sits in the car idling. Umm.... I think you’re missing the point...
facw
> functionoverfashion
09/30/2019 at 12:04 |
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It certainly seems like this feature isn’t ready. I’m feeling like we might be seeing big insurance premium increases for Tesla drivers.
Even if drivers actually were watching their cars (they won’t be), they could still easily miss a child, so I really hope the car “sees” well.
I’m a big supporter of autonomous vehicles, and think that people get a little to freaked about demanding perfection from them when “better than an average human” should be the baseline, but the sorts of thing shown in those videos really make me feel like this needed more testing, and will probably set back the whole industry as people demand government clamp down on things, even for much more responsible players.
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ttyymmnn
> functionoverfashion
09/30/2019 at 12:04 |
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He was just a big fan of The Blues Brothers.
Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
> functionoverfashion
09/30/2019 at 12:05 |
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At least Pierce Brosnen has the decency to stay in his car when he drives it with his phone.
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functionoverfashion
> Tekamul
09/30/2019 at 12:12 |
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Not just that, but the traffic patterns in parking lots are myriad and confusing to say the least. It can be hard to navigate a parking lot correctly if you’re unfamiliar with it, or at least, to do it the way “regulars” might expect based on established patterns. AI will have a much harder time learning this kind of thing.
Like when driving past a row of cars parked nose-in, imagine you suddenly see reverse lights come on. Maybe a computer could identify that as “ooh, someone might be backing up, better slow or stop” but you could look and see that the guy on the sidewalk looking at that car just pushed a button on his keys, and also it’s a GM product so it’s probably just “approach lighting”... you get the idea. But you could also see another car with backup lights on, where you also see brake lights, then brake lights off - as the person prepares to back up - so you’d know they’re probably going to start moving backwards, before the car even moves. And maybe it’s a minivan you just saw packed full of kids, so you know the person is likely to be a little distracted by their passengers, so you give them extra room. And so on.
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functionoverfashion
> ttyymmnn
09/30/2019 at 12:15 |
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Like autopilot, it’s neat. But completely not ready for the real world, except in very specific circumstances that Tesla is completely unable to specify.
I think autopilot is brilliant for long, empty highway drives. But uhh yeah.
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functionoverfashion
> Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
09/30/2019 at 12:16 |
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Actual F ootage of Tesla’s New Summon Feature
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PartyPooper2012
> functionoverfashion
09/30/2019 at 12:22 |
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Bit of trouble for being a pioneer? He is living in the future while we penalize him in the now
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Tekamul
> functionoverfashion
09/30/2019 at 12:30 |
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Oh yeah, I didn’t even think of that terrible GM reverse-lights-as-safety-lights garbage.
Never mind the number of times I've made a decision based on where the driver was looking. I doubt autopilot is considering facial cues.
nermal
> functionoverfashion
09/30/2019 at 12:33 |
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It would be funny if somebody sent their Tesla to auto-park at one of the GM plants that’s on strike, and it tried to cross a picket line without a driver . I wonder how it’s programmed to deal with civil unrest?
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functionoverfashion
> Tekamul
09/30/2019 at 12:35 |
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I think of it often, because I go through a downtown area, one-way street with diagonal spaces, almost every day. It’s busy and cars are coming and going from there all the time. But people also get in their car, put it in reverse, then sit there for unknown reasons, sometimes for minutes at a time. I’ve learned only to stop for cars that are actually moving backwards. And even then, when you’re the one backing out, some people will come from hundreds of feet away, honk and swerve around you as if you came out of nowhere to spite them. I’m well-versed in reading reverse lights....
punkgoose17
> MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick)
09/30/2019 at 12:53 |
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I am amazed at this. I think any other company would face a class action suit. These are foreseeable uses that can cause damage, harm, or death. Does the big print that says you must be aware of and are responsible for the vehicle make this okay? This puts the user in a position with less situational awareness.
Does the app send wide angle video feed to the users phone, so they can see from the perspective
of the car to see things like reverse lights?
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MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick)
> punkgoose17
09/30/2019 at 13:32 |
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Especially when garbage like the ‘unintended acceleration’ lawsuits actually had traction in spite of the fact that genuinely was user error 100% (even if the floor mat was caught there are a number of ways to stop the car safely.)